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  1. Panay's Ghost

    Victory Belles Lore questions

    But isn't the battleship HMS Lion under construction at Newcastle upon Tyne when the war begins? Even assuming that anything of the battlecruiser HMS Lion was left to reassemble (she was sold for scrap in 1924!), why would one settle for resuscitating that hull, when she could be provided a bigger, brand-spanking new ship? Unless that is what you mean by rebuilding warships that were scrapped. If so, then the only thing standing in the way of Vickers Amstrongs turning out a new receptacle for her would be labour and materials. The very same things that stood in the way historically. If things had turned out differently and there had been consistent available resources to finish her? Who's to say? I do think that the Captains of Belles have a war to fight though and while it may be Neutral, the INPF isn't a country. Shipbuilding from scratch should probably remain in the hands of the various countries, if for no other reason than even with a freshly commissioned ship and crew (and a handful of souvenirs from her battlecruiser days) , there is no certainty the Belle of HMS Lion would awaken. (And the Royal Navy is gonna need every ship it can beg, borrow or build).
  2. Panay's Ghost

    Victory Belles Lore questions

    A submarine is a valuable asset. A submarine with a Belle is valuable beyond measure. Far be it from me to argue with that statement. 😁
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    Victory Belles Lore questions

    I couldn't agree more with TwoHeavens. I think the more interesting question is if Sinterklass/ Santa Claus/ Saint Nicholas believes in Belles... 😉 *** It has been established that Belles who are sunk and re-floated are never quite the same. I'm curious if that is true for the Belles of ships that were lost, re-floated and returned to service before the start of the war. Such potential does exist. Consider USS S-38 (SS-143): who had a mishap in July of 1923, but following repairs and clean-up has been in active service. Another example is the Spanish destroyer Císcar, victim of the Spanish Civil War but refloated and repaired. Would it be something from her past that she'd rather not dwell on, or would there be more obvious consequences to the Belle? There is also the question of ships in the process of being salvaged at the start of the war: HMS Thetis and USS Squalus. Both submarines have been below since Spring, with salvage operations well underway; under optimal circumstances (in real life) Thetis should be raised on September 3rd and Squalus on September 13th. As of September 1st however, circumstances have become less than optimal. Are they among the first casualties of the war, or is there still hope of recovering them?
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    Victory Belles Lore questions

    Sadly, The Sullivans is not unique: USS Rogers (DD-876) was named for three brothers on USS New Orleans who were all killed in the Battle of Tassafaronga (which occurred less than three weeks after USS Juneau was torpedoed). The policy for US warships between 1900 and 1980 (i.e. during WW2) was firm: warships received names of deceased individuals only. The only reason then to give a US warship the name of a living individual, would be to "experiment" with what kind of link a Belle created might have; a move that would no doubt be controversial. Certainly if any Imperial Japanese warships popped up named after individuals (living or dead) that would be why... Last year's Christmas Party (Part 1) and 2... and 3.
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    Voting for Fleet Problem #2

    Kudos for Nautilus: her first (only?) torpedo salvo actually hit the near side of a carrier! And did damage! Break out the champagne! ? Setting aside the questionable tactics, her change in depth was rather abrupt (I initially missed the change). Is there any way to note it more? Having the waves above her silhouette lower, perhaps?
  6. Panay's Ghost

    Voting for Fleet Problem #2

    So, unless you're going to tell me Nenohi volunteered to fill the slot, I'm curious who the submarine was on Arizona's team. Arizona probably should have mentioned in the Update the location and conditions, which were posted with the Youtube portion: Sea of Marmara 9:00am 2 Knot wind from the West Visibility: 8 Low Clouds: 2 Oktas Fine weather for a shoot-out. ...Sea of Marmara. And there was a delay because a couple of Belles kept flying Turkish flags. Hmmmmmm..... Next is a night battle. Even discouraging subs (Boo hiss) there are so many choices... In no particular order: Pola Houston Surcouf Scharnhorst Leningrad Wicher Nagato Perth Belfast U-29 Leberecht Maass Saguenay Hans Lüdemann Maillé-Brézé
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    KS Update 118

    Probably the fact that the Royal Navy used the name Nautilus (Greek for "sailor") as far back as 1762 for a number of sloops. There have been ships in the Royal Navy named after a certain hunter from Greek Mythology since 1787, so I'm sure from then until now their paths have crossed once or twice... Other than some really generic names like Ocean or Shark, there aren't too many Belles that have so many past-life ships of different navies to draw from. No wonder "Naughtly-lass" is such a loose cannon: if it's Tuesday, I must be a USN submarine.
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    Update 117: 紅葉狩り, 十四 昭和

    Romances be wrecked Before they begin By a hair On the coat Or a lot on the chin Burma-Shave Option 5 please.
  9. Panay's Ghost

    Dano's La Belle Galerie

    From the album: La Belle Galerie Redux

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    La Belle Galerie Redux

    Once upon a time, forum member Dano created a chart of the Belles we knew of at the start and put them in a handy grid format for all to enjoy. That was before the current forum changes, which added this album area. This seems a logical place for such a resource.
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    Update 112: On Captains & Pin-Ups

    A few more thoughts then, to add to your thought process... Shimenawa are put around any suitably impressive object capable of attracting a kami such as boulders and trees (yorishiro). Since the hulls of INJ Belles have demonstrated themselves to clearly be capable of housing a kami (go-shintai), in theory the whole perimeter of any IJN Belle's ship should be festooned with them. That would likely be impractical to do (even with hemp in place of rice straw) out to sea, but to add to a ship's dressing when coming to port? That would depend on how much extra room said ship had to house the stuff: bigger ships could afford the room for heftier, more elaborate/impressive shimenawa. Given that shimenawa delineate the border between the mundane world and the sacred dwelling of (one or more) kami, a practical alternative application might simply be at a ship's access ramp and gangplank - to remind all those going aboard that they are entering a sacred place. ...But that's just me. I do think you've over-thought of the captain's title. I would counter that a Belle ship is not a Mikoshi since there is nothing temporary about her residence in her hull. The Belle-kami dwells in an object (warship) that just happens to be able to travel, rather than being in a temporary transport to take her to a permanent home or on a festival-long jaunt though the neighborhood. Possibly a better term for a ship with a Belle would be Mitamashiro (the object that houses an enshrined kami). I wonder how many of the IJN Belles actually view themselves as "gods", especially in the Western sense of the term, given that kami is much more broadly encompassing than that. Certainly they are spirits and it would be only proper to show them great respect (even if they weren't the ones standing between the Empire and the Morganas).
  12. Panay's Ghost

    KS Update 111

    Option 6, please.
  13. Option #5 please. With luck the majority will get drunk enough to forget this intervention occurred.
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    A fan artist appears

    The saga continues. Bravo!
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    Update 107: The Most Dangerous Captain

    All of the options were wonderful, but I must limit myself to one: Option 2. For my reasoning:
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    What You Can Find On YouTube These Days

    Of special note is at 4:00..."the captain lives in a broom closet". I'm not sure whether that means all captains regardless of ship size/class live in equal (lack of) luxury, or that destroyer captains live in a medicine cabinet over a sink.
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    KS Update 105

    Option 1. Between the royalties and the popcorn, I figure I can make a mint at box offices worldwide out of the comedic gold. ...How else am I supposed to cover the cost of seventy cans of icing? ;p
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    KS Update 104

    Except Texas is a battleship and this is the Cruiser Club. Houston could represent, but that would require her to help Redacted 8 with the cat-herding; I think there's a reason why she isn't present. As for me, Option 6. It's gonna be a loooong war at this rate so I'd rather not eat up all the tasty critters this early.
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    KS Update 102: U-29, Voykov, and the Battle Engine!

    Option 1 please. After all, I've heard rumors that Shangri-La has a decent airstrip...
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    History questions

    I found a copy of the 4 September 1939 *Rocky Mountain News*. In Denver it was reported as a German torpedo attack: Since your question is about October, I also discovered a whole site with clippings that include clippings from September 8 1939 through to 1941. Hope that helps.
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    The Day They Died

    April 6 1940 U-1 (Kriegsmarine Type IIA submarine): Struck a mine and sank in the North Sea north of Terschelling, Friesland, Netherlands. Her wreck was located by divers in June, 2007. U-50 (Kriegsmarine Type VIIB submarine): Struck a mine and sank in the North Sea north of Terschelling, Friesland, Netherlands. 1941 HMS Comorin (RN armed merchant cruiser): Caught fire in the Atlantic Ocean and scuttled by HMS Broke. Georgios (Royal Hellenic Navy auxiliary ship): Bombed and sunk at Piraeus by Luftwaffe aircraft. HMY Surf (RN yacht): Bombed and sunk at Piraeus by Luftwaffe aircraft. HMY Torrent (RN yacht, former Anna Marie): Struck a mine and sank in the English Channel off Falmouth, Cornwall. 1942 HMS Havock (RN H-class destroyer): Ran aground and was wrecked off Kelibia, Tunisia. She was later hit by a torpedo from Aradam. HMIS Indus (Indian Grimsby-class sloop): Bombed and sunk in an Imperial Japanese air raid on Akyab, Burma. HMS West Cocker (RN West-class tugboat): Bombed and sunk at Malta in an air raid. 1943 M 4041 Dr. Augustus Heldt (Kriegsmarine auxiliary minesweeper): Struck a mine and sank in the Bay of Biscay off Le Verdon-sur-Mer, Gironde, France. U-167 (Kriegsmarine Type IXC/40 submarine): Scuttled in the Atlantic Ocean off Gran Canaria, Canary Islands, Spain. She had been badly damaged by depth charges from RAF aircraft the day before. U-632 (Kriegsmarine Type VIIC submarine): Depth charged and sunk in the Atlantic Ocean by RAF aircraft. UJ 2202 Jutland (Kriegsmarine submarine chaser): Bombed and sunk in the Mediterranean Sea by American aircraft. VAS 202 (RM VAS 201-class submarine chaser): Sunk at Trapani by Allied aircraft. 1944 R-192 (Kriegsmarine R-151 minesweeper): Sunk in the Tyrrhenian Sea off Cecina, Tuscany, Italy by Royal Navy motor torpedo boats. U-302 (Kriegsmarine Type VIIC submarine): Depth charged and sunk in the North Atlantic north-west of the Azores by HMS Swale. 1945 Amatsukaze (IJN Kagerō-class destroyer): Bombed and damaged in the Strait of Formosa east of Amoy, China by USAAF aircraft and beached at the entrance to Amoy harbor. Salvage was abandoned two days later after further damage by a storm and she was permanently scuttled with explosive charges on 10 April. USS Bush (USN Fletcher-class destroyer): Sunk in the Pacific Ocean off Okinawa, Japan by a kamikaze attack. USS Colhoun (USN Fletcher-class destroyer): Sunk in the Pacific Ocean off Okinawa by kamikaze aircraft. USS Emmons (USN high-speed minesweeper, former Gleaves-class destroyer): Damaged by kamikaze attack in the Pacific Ocean off Okinawa. She was scuttled the next day. U-1195 (Kriesmarine Type VIIC submarine): Depth charged and sunk in the English Channel south of Spithead Roads by HMS Watchman. Salvage attempts by the Royal Navy were abandoned by the end of the month.
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    KS Update: Death and Taxes!?

    Option 3.
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    The Day They Died

    April 5 1941 U-76 (Kriegsmarine Type VIIB submarine): Depth charged and sunk in the Atlantic Ocean south of Iceland by HMS Scarborough and HMS Wolverine. 1942 The Battle of Ceylon (AKA Operation 'C' and the Easter Sunday Raid): Following the fall of Singapore, Ceylon became the home of the British Eastern Fleet. To disrupt British operations in the Indian Ocean and to ensure Imperial Japanese operations in Burma need not fear, the Kido Butai came calling... HMS Cornwall (RN County-class, Kent subclass heavy cruiser): Bombed and sunk in the Indian Ocean southwest of Ceylon by Imperial Japanese aircraft. HMS Dorsetshire (RN County-class, Norfolk subclass heavy cruiser): Bombed and sunk in the Indian Ocean southwest of Ceylon by Imperial Japanese aircraft. HMS Hector (RN armed merchant cruiser): Bombed and sunk at Colombo, Ceylon by Japanese aircraft. HMS Tenedos (RN S-class destroyer): Bombed and sunk at Colombo by Imperial Japanese aircraft. *** HMS Abingdon (RN Hunt-class minesweeper): Bombed by Italian aircraft at Malta. She was beached and abandoned after being declared a total loss. HMS Gallant (RN G-class destroyer): Bombed and and beached at Valletta. She was already under repair from loosing her bow to a mine on 10 January 1941 and was deemed beyond economical repair. She was refloated and sunk as a blockship in September, 1943. RT-61 (Soviet Navy trawler): Bombed and sunk at Murmansk by Luftwaffe aircraft. 1943 U-635 (Kriegsmarine Type VIIC submarine): Depth charged and sunk in the Atlantic Ocean south east of Cape Farewell, Greenland, by RAF aircraft. 1944 CHa-46 (IJN CHa-1-class auxiliary submarine chaser): Sunk at Wake Island by US Navy aircraft. R-261 (Kriegsmarine Type R-218 minesweeper): Sunk off Boulogne, Pas-de-Calais, France by Allied aircraft. U-455 (Kriegsmarine Type VIIC submarine): Strayed into a German minefield and sank in the Mediterranean sea near Portofino, Italy. Her wreck was discovered in 2005. 1945 Helmi Söhle (Kriegsmarine patrol boat): Sunk in the Kattegat by RAF aircraft. Ro-49 (IJN Type Kaichu (K)6 medium submarine): Depth charged and sunk in the Pacific Ocean off Okinawa by USS Hudson. USS Thornton (USN seaplane tender, a former Clemson-class destroyer): Collided with USS Ashtabula and USS Escalante in the Pacific Ocean off the Ryukyu Islands and was severely damaged. She was beached and abandoned at Keramo Retto on 2 May. U-242 (Kriegsmarine Type VIIC submarine): Struck a mine and sank in St George's Channel. USS S-17 (USN S-class submarine, decommissioned): Sunk as a target. 1946 Operation Dead Duck: More surrendered Imperial Japanese submarines were towed into the East China Sea beyond Sasebo Bay and sunk with explosive charges. I-202 : Type Sen-taka (ST) large high speed submarine. Ro-31 : Type Kai-Toku-Chū (KT) special purpose-medium submarine. She had been decommissioned earlier, on 25 May 1945. Ha-207 : Type Sen-taka sho (STS) small high speed submarine. Ha-210 : Type Sen-taka sho (STS) small high speed submarine. Ha-215 :Type Sen-taka sho (STS) small high speed submarine. She was incomplete. Ha-216 : Type Sen-taka sho (STS) small high speed submarine. Ha-217 : Type Sen-taka sho (STS) small high speed submarine. She was incomplete. Ha-219 : Type Sen-taka sho (STS) small high speed submarine. She was incomplete. Ha-228 : Type Sen-taka sho (STS) small high speed submarine. She was incomplete.
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    The Day They Died

    April 4 1941 Giovanni Acerbi (RM Giuseppe Sirtori-class destroyer): Scuttled as a blockship at Massawa. Proussa (Royal Hellenic Navy Kydoniai-class torpedo boat, former SMS Tb 94-F): Bombed and sunk at Corfu by Italian aircraft. HMS Voltaire (RN armed merchant cruiser): Shelled and sunk in the Atlantic Ocean by Thor. 1942 Glavkos (Royal Hellenic Navy Proteus-class submarine): Bombed and sunk at Malta by German aircraft. RT-103 (Soviet Navy trawler): Bombed and sunk at Zyp Navolok by Luftwaffe aircraft. 1943 Altair (Kriegsmarine supply ship): Torpedoed and sunk off Kristiansund, Norway by RAF aircraft. V 1252 (Kriegsmarine Vorpostenboot): Collided with FlJ 27 Schiewenhorst and sank in the North Sea off Borkum. 1944 I-169 (IJN Type Kaidai (KD)6 large fleet submarine): Sunk in a diving accident north-west of Dublon Island, Truk, during a US air raid. She was depth-charged in May to permanently scuttle her. 1945 USS Dickerson (USN high-speed transport, former Wickes-class destroyer): Stripped of salvageable materials and scuttled by gunfire in the Pacific Ocean near Kerama Retto. She had taken two direct kamikaze hits two days earlier. Irben (Kriegsmarine Irben-class minelayer): Sunk off Kiel by American aircraft. Kurt Ramien (Kriegsmarine Este-class auxiliary submarine chaser/trials ship): Sunk on this date. M-802 (Kriegsmarine M 1943-class minesweeper): Bombed and sunk by American aircraft at Kiel. Mokuto (IJN Ukuru-class escort ship): Mined and sunk in the Shimonoseki Strait. R-59 (Kriegsmarine Type R-41 minesweeper): Sunk at Kiel by American aircraft. R 119 (Kriegsmarine minesweeper): Sunk in an American air raid on Kiel. R-261 (Kriegsmarine Type R-218 minesweeper): Sunk at Kiel by American aircraft. U-237 (Kriegsmarine Type VIIC submarine): Bombed and sunk at Kiel in an American air raid. U-749 (Kriegsmarine Type VIIC submarine): Bombed and sunk at Kiel in an American air raid. U-3003 (Kriegsmarine Type XXI submarine): Bombed and sunk at Kiel in an American air raid. 1946 USS S-35 (USN S-class submarine, decommissioned): Sunk off the Hawaiian Islands as a torpedo target.
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