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Yea we know the war still continue so there will probably the chance to capture other human ships.

 

Then I must push the rocket research if I plan to play it as German ^^

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If they're in a position where they can't fight back anymore, can they commit suicide/ninja out of the battlefield? Unless Morgana have some way to attack that's not reliant on having tank shells and functional cannons with which to use them it should be possible to outrun them if your ships are faster and their weapons have been destroyed.

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Yea we know the war still continue so there will probably the chance to capture other human ships.

 

Then I must push the rocket research if I plan to play it as German ^^

*Bismarck zips by at 200mph with jets strapped to her feet*

*slams into the Cliffs of Dover and crashes*

...

*pops the champagne*

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*Bismarck zips by at 200mph with jets strapped to her feet*

*slams into the Cliffs of Dover and crashes*

...

*pops the champagne*

Well, that's one way to cross the channel...

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Tricky, but every habit opens up a weakness that someone more clever can exploit. Do Morganas have a life detect sorta thing? I'm thinking that if they'll die before facing capture, one might possibly trick them into sinking themselves by sending a dummy boat right to them in a "we're going to rush and board you" feint move.

 

'Course, good luck managing to do that. And through a bank of alien fog at that.

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*Bismarck zips by at 200mph with jets strapped to her feet*

*slams into the Cliffs of Dover and crashes*

...

*pops the champagne*

Was more planning to replace the normal torpedo with rocked powered one ^^.

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I know 39 is to early for that but if I want to have them till 45 I need to start with the research toward this 39 already. At last I suspect if we invest nothing in research we get what was normal for the Nation or maybe less but if we focus research something it must be clearly get past what was possible even at the end of the war.

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So...dummy ship to lure them out of the mist, if there's anything that can act as a lure other than juicy Mcinnocentsailor burgers (than again, good use for POW if you're firmly in the "ends justify the means" camp), and then...and then what? Sneak up from behind rocks? Ships don't work that way, and neither does the ocean as a general rule. I guess paratroops from a distant aircraft carrier? Than again if those are at all prevalent I'd imagine that Morgana ships have AA capabilities.

 

Tricky, tricky. Still, if the Morgana MO is "suicide before capture" there must be an extremely good reason for why their enemies would want to capture them. At least I'm assuming that getting sunk isn't an any more pleasant affair for a Morgana than a Belle.

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So...dummy ship to lure them out of the mist, if there's anything that can act as a lure other than juicy Mcinnocentsailor burgers (than again, good use for POW if you're firmly in the "ends justify the means" camp)

 

Wow. I am firmly in the "ends justify the means" camp, and that's a bit too far. That's straight up war crimes for no good reason. At the very least, use convicted criminals rather than good soldiers who were just fighting to keep their families safe.

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Well that took a dark turn...

 

Think we might have covered this a bit, but how do carrier aircraft and floatplanes get powered up by the Belles? Aside from the necessary equipment for carrier/ship based aircraft (folding/removable wings, arresting hooks, and such) the aircraft themselves are hardly as permanent to a ship as, say, a main battery or torpedo tube. Planes could operate from airstrips or be transferred to other ships...

 

Do they have little planes from the Belles riding along or something?

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PR;

 

If you mean the actual planes that the ship the Belle is on carries, they are piloted by humans. Like their counterparts aboard ship, they too can benefit from a Belle in terms of Morale and combat ability- even greenhorns. :)

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Wow. I am firmly in the "ends justify the means" camp, and that's a bit too far. That's straight up war crimes for no good reason. At the very least, use convicted criminals rather than good soldiers who were just fighting to keep their families safe.

Oh, trust me, if you think that's too far you're not firmly in the "end justify the means" camp. Rest assured that personally I'd be hesitant to go through with such a plan even if the sacrificial lambs were made exclusively of death-row inmates, but in universe, I think the logic of "an unknown enemy who'd always choose death over capture must have something important to hide" is sound. So I could see some countries with rookies or political enemies to spare form a crew out of them, give them false orders to patrol some location and so use them as bait unknowingly. If anything that tactic would be more likely to succeed, even, since a team of POW or death-row inmates would most likely not have a believable morale/desire to fight back.

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PR;

 

If you mean the actual planes that the ship the Belle is on carries, they are piloted by humans. Like their counterparts aboard ship, they too can benefit from a Belle in terms of Morale and combat ability- even greenhorns. :)

I imagined so, but what distinguishes the planes assigned to the ship from other planes that aren't? Probably a case of thinking too hard, but is it as simple as the plane is on the ship's roster or not?

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@Metis

 

Yeah, rookies or political enemies would be a good choice. I would easily be okay with using many things as bait or doing questionable things for victory. It is specifically with issues like this, proper soldiers and brave men, when I begin to draw the line.

 

@Schwarzbart

 

They'd have to be big Q-ships; the ones in WWI according to the article were meant to hunt exclusively submarines and as such were only outfit with 3-pounder (47mm) guns. If you're luring a Morgana out of the mists to weaken it, it follows that you don't want to fight it at full strength. To put a gun on a Q ship that would damage any Morgana that you would not want to be fighting would make it a rather obvious Q ship and defeat the purpose, unless it was a rather big ship.

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Why not use Q-Ships to lure them out?

That could work, if the Morganas can't sniff them out. So load up a Q-Ship with POW or political enemies forcibly drafted into the army, give the former a promise of a clean return to their home country and the latter false order as motivation, in either case have them lure a Morgana out of it's mist, have the crew fight and/or die against the Morgana as a delay tactic until the trap can be sprung by cavalry arriving, have that cavalry rush to board and take whatever they can before the Morgana sinks herself. Afterwards you could even sink the dummy ship yourself either secretly or openly, if command deems it valuable/necessary, and blame the "accident" or "surprise attack" on some unknown aspect of the Morgana.

 

The problem I foresee with that plan is that I don't think Morganas are always (or even often) alone, and I don't think even a Q-ship would hold out against several combat ships. I also don't think Morgana will sail too far away from their mist even to pursue an enemy, so you can't have the dummy ship retreat to lure the Morgana into the trap, you'd actively have to rush your own ships. In that case you're definitely need a Q-ship with a crew that can function, so as to take out the Morgana's escorts and allow the cavalry to rush in without getting murdered.

 

There's definitely a strategy to be worked out here, I think, it just takes some fine-tuning. And turning a blind eye towards the Geneva Convention, but that's what I meant with the ends justifying the means.

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Research, I think. :unsure:

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Yeah, rookies or political enemies would be a good choice. I would easily be okay with using many things as bait or doing questionable things for victory. It is specifically with issues like this, proper soldiers and brave men, when I begin to draw the line.

Rookies likely wouldn't have the skills necessary to delay a Morgana for long enough by not dying horribly, and take out the Morgana's escorts in the meantime. As for choosing between POW and political enemies I...don't really see a meaningful distinction between them. They're enemies of the state, whether they were originally born in said state or outside of it. It's a question of motivating them, and honestly, I think people who were caught and have a different country to go back to would be more pliable.

 

Also more likely to be missed in case command decides they want to leave no survivors/witnesses, which is to be expected if command thinks they can get information and material of the technological and science! variety, though for the same reason they'd be a greater risk to send back home as opposed to Davy Jones' Locker. Like I said it's definitely a plan that requires some very pointed ignoring of the Geneva Convention, but that aside, I think it could work.

 

Why do you need captured Morgana ?

 

...I think the logic of "an unknown enemy who'd always choose death over capture must have something important to hide" is sound.

Basically research, yes.

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