What use is 'Research' ability?

[Monrdhil]

Second game where I gain this ability, but it isn't really explainatory ...

 

What does it induce to do some research in a skill ?

[OrangeKnickers]

Hey Monrdhil,

 

as far as I know you can research skills ten times. For the first nine level you mainly learn lores, but for the tenth level you often get increases for attributes or for the maximum of skills.

[laclongquan]

I can research Diary of Edward to level 3, after that it seem very hard to research, even when my Research is 7 to 10 and do the deed at library help desk.

 

What factor affect the success rate of Research action? skill level, level of the subject, location? what more?

 

EDIT:

Research skill level 14

Rhetoric skill level 7

Rhetoric study level 0

Rhetoric research level 1

Location library help desk

 

Still unable to research.

 

ANd one more question: how do we get more research subject. Out of all my courses, only rhetoric appear. subskills appear, but no other main skill.

[Legate of Mineta]

Laclongguan;

 

The most important factor is your Research Skill in correlation with the actual difficulty of the subject being Researched. I've just reviewed that Topic, and I do not see anything that leads me to believe you should have that kind of difficulty in succeeding. I will need to investigate this with our coding team.

 

Thanks!

 

Edit: I had no problems raising my level in this Research Skill all the way to 10. Just to confirm: in this game, is it a new game, or an old game that you patched up to Patch 2?

[laclongquan]

No patch.

 

I hesitate to abandon my lovely.

[Legate of Mineta]

Laclongguan;

 

Fair enough.

 

I can't say what the root cause of it is in older games, but you should be able to research quite easily with your Skill. I will test this a bit more.

[Famble]

Try using a different location, I noticed that if I used the help desk when trying to research in older games it always failed, when I tried at somewhere else it succeded.

[laclongquan]

that's it! I almost always using help desk to get the advertised Research+1 .

 

Too bad I drop my Hermione Grange and restart with, who else, Hermione Grange. Research are too low at the moment so I will report back when I can.

 

EDIT: anyway, when I use Joie de vivre, I got Pure luck the which previously I dont have. But it appear as Pure Luck level1 in Research portion and nothing in the Raid subportion. Whaaaaat?

[Legate of Mineta]

Laclongguan;

 

You must be seeing the Pure Luck Research Topic, but that shouldn't be unlocked by Joie de Vire.

 

I will test this, thanks!

[nightguard]

Would you also be able to take a look at the passive ability for the Help Desk? As mentioned above, it appears as though using Research always fails there, instead of receiving the +1 bonus that the room's passive ability claims you should get.

[Legate of Mineta]

nightguard;

 

Yes, I already have this for review.

 

Thanks!

[DWhite6666]

I have just finished my first game. My study was at 10 for all studys. By casting spells with phemes some of my parent skills were at 19 for my exams. But all of my research subjects were at 0. I started using my research ability in the last month and increased my Befriend Research to 1 but my Befriend Parent skill was at 5. I do not understand the difference between a research skill (Ihate to call it a skill because it can be confused with the research parent skill but i am talking about the research area that appears below all the parent skills) and a parent skill and the user guide does not explain. Can you give me an explaination? Where would it apply? Does it make training a parent skill easier? or do something different.

[Legate of Mineta]

DWhite6666;

 

Research Skills are mostly to obtain Lores (information about the world), but almost all carry useful bonuses at level 10, from Attribute expansions to the ability to Expand your Skill Maximums.

[Sebmono]

So what you are saying is that for gameplay (non-roleplay) purposes, there is no point in researching unless you plan on taking it all the way to level 10?

 

That would be something I'd find interesting to change, for instance if a portion of the spells and phemes in a discipline where only accessible through research and not via normal class attendance/training/study. I would see this as reflecting the difference between class texts and 'normal' coursework versus digging through old dusty tomes in the library and uncovering rarer and perhaps more powerful information.

 

Thoughts?

[Legate of Mineta]

Sebmono;

 

It's certainly the case for Year 1. Research will be tied into Studying in Year 2 and thus far the resultant changes look very interesting.

[Vegejor]

Legate did you mean you have all the locations under review or just the one?

 

Since the block puzzle room doesn't work either. I tried 3x (in one day, a sunday, you know the one from the safe with the vendetta) and while my war and research skill are both 10, they all failed.

[Legate of Mineta]

Veggie;

 

All Locations were reviewed in CP1, but principally for Passive vs. Active.

[Vegejor]

*grins* Even if not, the hunt for typos shall likely continue past CP1's release. It's truly awesome how much attention, work, and dedication you and your team are putting into this game. Hip, hip, huzzah!

 

 

Hmm ok. I'll have to try it on monday than. No harm in that.

 

btw, did you succeed downloading as right now the file is wide open for anyone to pick up if they want.

[Legate of Mineta]

Veggie;

 

Still downloading, I will let you know.

[Vegejor]

o.o that must really be a bad connection. I thought only the uploading was that slow, but guess I was mistaken.

[Legate of Mineta]

RapidShare is always slow, in either direction.

[Vegejor]

Would you object if I arrange a private server for future issues? It would be open for everyone on academagia, but only through you. (In the sense you determine who uses it or not. I don't want random people abusing it.)

[Legate of Mineta]

Vegejor;

 

That could work, certainly- we'll discuss it via pm, a bit later?

[mhv3]

What does unlock more research topics? It is random when I study a skill dependent on my current research skills. I've got 10's on all 4 research skills and my research topics are pretty lean (4 ) I guess my real question is whether it is random or fixed when to unlock a topic. (i'm trying to unlock mastery and subskills and have them all at 10's too, but i did that before I trained research up to a 10.)

[Legate of Mineta]

mhv3;

 

Locations unlock Research Topics. Usually, the various Skill trees will unlock their Research Topics, but not always.