ktalkimist Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 Clearly Academagia did well enough to warrant a sequel and a brand new game for BCS, but how well did it sell exactly? I'm curious because I know low key titles from renown publishers would sell around 100k, then other games move up from there. Academagia is in a pretty special niche. I don't even know if there are still a lot of people out there who are into such kind of games, so I wonder how many copies the game sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwarzbart Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 Sadly I never managed to get some numbers out the Legate so I put something together my own from what I have learned from other Teams at Kickstarter so this numbers could be complet off. Someone working on a game cost at last $30000/ year (not including the Hardware, office place ect.) and for Academagia there listed fare over 70 peoples (I stoped counting then) in the credit as have worked on this game. I think inc. development time of year 1 it must be around 4 years now that the people only haved the money from year 1. Now seeing the shops ask for $25 unless the game is on sale and ~30% is taken away from the shops what means they got $17,5 per copy when it wasn't on sale. So just to cover up the costs for 80 people for 1 year would mean they have to sale ~140k units of the game. Thats why I personal think most of the team make this just for hobby without getting any or much money in return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legate of Mineta Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 ktalkmist; We haven't released any sales figures, but we did do well enough to continue on to Year 2, Scheherazade, [secret Project^2] and a KickStarter...that said, a portion of our efforts is hobby time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwarzbart Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 As I messed up to get a exact count from the credits, I ask here: How many people have worked on year 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legate of Mineta Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 Schwarzbart; I'm not entirely sure of the full count myself- don't forget there are more people from the DLC, too! It's a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktalkimist Posted October 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 So this project was initially funded on Kickstarter? Wow. Cool. Sorry, I'm new hear. Only found about your games through Ren'py. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwarzbart Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 Huh why do you think Academagia was financed via crowdfunding? Kickstarter started April 2009 but I'm prety sure Academagia development started bevore this date! Edit: I see what make you think so but you got it wrong there is a upcomming Kickstarter from Black Cicken Studios where we know nothing about so fare except that it will hit Kickstarter probably in the next vew weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktalkimist Posted October 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 Huh why do you think Academagia was financed via crowdfunding? Kickstarter started April 2009 but I'm prety sure Academagia development started bevore this date! Oh, I'm sorry. I misread the mod's post about Kickstarter. What's Kickstarter got to do with Academagia sales then? Really curious about sales numbers because even sort of popular games such as Mana Khemia titles get less than 100k sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwarzbart Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 The Legate just gave you a overview whate they did and still plan to do in games. The only Answear you will get to your question about sale numbers is: "We haven't released any sales figures" and I doubt you will see them ever made public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legate of Mineta Posted October 18, 2012 Report Share Posted October 18, 2012 Speaking of that KickStarter, I believe it will be out tomorrow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pysali Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 @ktalkimist Legate mentioned Kickstarter as they're planning on starting one for a secret project. It sounds/reads like the original Academagia did well enough to warrant a sequel and move towards Scheherazade, plus said kickstarter and another game that's in development, but being kept secret. However the company is still running partially on 'this has to be a hobby' levels of sales. I'll admit I'd seen Academagia mentioned, but what got me was the endorsement from Hanako for Scheherazade. I'm more cautious about spending money (the $25 dollar price tag threw me for a while) on companies I don't know about due to a few purchases that... left me very dissatisfied in the past. However both games have amazing replay value and are a ton of fun so the company has earned 'take my money' status from me. Yay kickstarter tomorrow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwarzbart Posted October 19, 2012 Report Share Posted October 19, 2012 Speaking of that KickStarter, I believe it will be out tomorrow... Wow so you try to gather money even with Star Citizen now on KS and many drained of they money thanks to Project Eternity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktalkimist Posted October 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Did Scheherazade sell anywhere near as good as Academagia? It seems the former doesn't have the same Harry Potter sim appeal as the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legate of Mineta Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 ktalkimist; So far, so good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freespace2dotcom Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 But Academagia has from the start been planned for 5 years, right? Well, I'm sure you will get there, eventually. Any plans for a post-5th year game in the same setting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwarzbart Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 I would love to have something like the Ars Magica Game on Kickstarter for continue after year 5. Instead of each day you only plan each month or even every quarter year so the game can go over a much longer time period and become even more strategic with events that can be so big as complete adventures in year 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legate of Mineta Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 I strongly doubt we'd do anything after the 5th Year- the reason is that there is *so* much to do, once you are outside of the University gates! Maybe it should be an MMO? *dreams big* Schwarzbart's idea is pretty cool, though- something like that...might be feasible, actually... *dreams big* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwarzbart Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Yea to be real we can start to talk about such things when year 4 is released as every thing bevore would be much to early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legate of Mineta Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Exactly right. Year 2 first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freespace2dotcom Posted October 20, 2012 Report Share Posted October 20, 2012 Yeah, talking on that is a bit too early.... *dreams big* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktalkimist Posted October 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 Wow, your new game is a huge $290,000 project. Does this mean you made around the same for previous games? Clearly, you know how to handle that kind of money. So far, I've found that the VN Analogue: A Hate Story sold at least 30,000 copies in its first few months, while less popular VNs are like enough if they break the 1,000 mark. Is it the same with Academagia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legate of Mineta Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 ktalkmist; The dynamic on visual novels and raising games was pretty different from one another, I think we found. Budgets for earlier games were actually less; Ars Magica needs more due to the art requirements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktalkimist Posted October 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 How much less? Sorry for asking so much, but I am actually in the process of getting my own VN financed, and I need numbers to do it. I hope you understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legate of Mineta Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 ktalkimist; Haha, we understand. Unfortunately, we really do not go into finances. Suffice to say, that the market for visual novels is not well established yet- it's still growing, and success in the market depends a lot on how your players react to your game. Do your best, and we can't wait to play it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeautyPoo Posted October 21, 2012 Report Share Posted October 21, 2012 I strongly doubt we'd do anything after the 5th Year- the reason is that there is *so* much to do, once you are outside of the University gates! Maybe it should be an MMO? *dreams big* Schwarzbart's idea is pretty cool, though- something like that...might be feasible, actually... *dreams big* Academagia MMO remind me of Wizard 101... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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