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I don't know. It's kinda like the if you encounter the devil and he was like talking about his life and talking to you normaly. How would you react?

 

It's just too odd. I trust them even less with that kind of attitude

I don't know, do you really think someone that's very alien to you has to be different in every aspect?

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I don't know, do you really think someone that's very alien to you has to be different in every aspect?

 

I can ask you the same question: do you really think someone that's very alien to you has to be almost human in every aspect?

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I can ask you the same question: do you really think someone that's very alien to you has to be almost human in every aspect?

My parrot has some very "human" aspekts, instinctual behaviour, even if she is an evolved dinosaur.

 

I got to know her as a baby and she immediately took a liking to me after feed her and peted her(scratched her headfeathers.)

Seh did in deed start out as a very helpless baby that had to learn just about everything. Just learning how to form sounds and eventualy speak took her a very long time and years after she's still learning new words.

The differences seems to be more about what she doesn't know or hasn't learned. I've also noticed that she dislikes all forms of changes very much, unless it's an obvious improvement for her.

 

The things that Humans, parrots and in this case dragons would have in common is that they were all young once. Most creatures also wants some manner of company or someone to talk to.

 

If creatures live very loney lives and are shielded of from all others then they tend to get rather talkative once they find someone to talk to. (Unless of course they got isolated to the point where they devolve, like a kid lockedup in a closet until they grow up to become adults.)

 

This dragon lady that you encounter, seems to be very old and lonely, even if she's still a nasty old dragonwitch. No wonder she's dreaming of the "good old days when she was a youth", now she's an old almost senile dragonwitch.

 

No matter if you're talking about Stali, Hitler or Polpot, I'm pretty sure they were young and "innocent" at some point, and even towards the end they still wanted to talk to others, some even keept writing til the end to tell their story.

 

What we have been told about dragons is that they are very intelligent and insightful, and surely that means they also want to talk a lot. If nothing else for selfglorification and a chance to vent some steam to feel better about herself.

 

What was with her that you found so "human"? I would expect all living things to share several traits and points of view. It's not like she has a lot of other dragons around to talk to.

 

In the end, she treated you like dirt, and if she thought you wern't honest to her she was going to kill you in a very painful way. Was there something in particular that you expected from a dragon? I might not be an expert on what dragons should be like.

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My parrot has some very "human" aspekts, instinctual behaviour, even if she is an evolved dinosaur.

 

If your pet started to talk to me casually. I would freaked out just sayin

 

 

i think i would freak out if your pet started to talk to me casually just sayin.

 

I got to know her as a baby and she immediately took a liking to me after feed her and peted her(scratched her headfeathers.)

Seh did in deed start out as a very helpless baby that had to learn just about everything. Just learning how to form sounds and eventualy speak took her a very long time and years after she's still learning new words.

The differences seems to be more about what she doesn't know or hasn't learned. I've also noticed that she dislikes all forms of changes very much, unless it's an obvious improvement for her.

 

The things that Humans, parrots and in this case dragons would have in common is that they were all young once. Most creatures also wants some manner of company or someone to talk to.

 

If creatures live very loney lives and are shielded of from all others then they tend to get rather talkative once they find someone to talk to. (Unless of course they got isolated to the point where they devolve, like a kid lockedup in a closet until they grow up to become adults.)

 

 

 

I am not one of those that believes that concept such as "inhuman" or "humanity" or whatever is only applicable for human. We are first and formost animals and as such we do share many common traits with other animal and the much closer geneticaly the much closer the behaviour. That doesn't mean that other animal behave like us and by that i don't talk about their feeling but simply how they act. Sorry but an ape has a different behavior than a parrot wich have a different behavior than human and it should be the same for dragons.

 

This dragon lady that you encounter, seems to be very old and lonely, even if she's still a nasty old dragonwitch. No wonder she's dreaming of the "good old days when she was a youth", now she's an old almost senile dragonwitch

 

Your opinion.

 

 

No matter if you're talking about Stali, Hitler or Polpot, I'm pretty sure they were young and "innocent" at some point, and even towards the end they still wanted to talk to others, some even keept writing til the end to tell their story.

 

 

I don't understant your point. You give human exemple to explain Dragon behavior. Doesn't make sense to me. That's like if I heard that a crocodile was just lonely and innocent at some point that's maybe the case but i don't think he will start crying over my shoulder or go consult a psy

 

What was with her that you found so "human"? I would expect all living things to share several traits and points of view. It's not like she has a lot of other dragons around to talk to.

 

there was 2 of them both acting pretty friendly for a race known for the devastation they brought sorry but that's also animal instinct to be suspicious

 

of other species espesially dangerous one or your natural "predator'. A lapin won't be friendly with a wolf. I as a human of planet Earth will be pretty wary of a wild lion even if he is "cool". My PC would have been wary of Dragons.

 

 

Anyway that wasn't my original point. Those 2 Dragon didn't act like how they are described by the Elumnian thus 2 possiblity:

1- Dragon can be jerks and bros. Their character is close to human in most cases. Elumnian are wrong.

2- Those Dragons were deceiving us. Dragon are known in the lore to be great deceiver. Elumnian are right.

 

I went with the second option thus my uneasiness but maybe i'am wrong. I am just sceptical about their attitude.

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It wouldn't surprise me if they can have more than one side to their personality.

 

What I was trying to say, is that even the worst people can have another side to them, it might not make up all the bad in them, but don't be surprised if it's in there somewhere.

 

The big problem wth dragons even if they were exactly like humans, is that due to their power a single dragon or a gang of dragons similar to a criminal bikergang can do a lot of harm to a society.

 

Each singular dragon might have the power of a small army. It wouldn't take a lot for humans and other "weaker" lifeforms to consider them irredemably evil and allpowerful, somethign you have to destroy before you got too many of them.

 

It's a common strategy of the weak to come together and overthrow the strong if they feel threatened enough, when they can't stand any more, where it's passed the sustainability of a society.

 

Some dragons might have been less bad than others, but it's also a common belief that power corrupts, the more power they gained the more corrupt the power made them as they lost respect of their "minions" and decided to entertain themselves because the statusque got terribly boring. Kind of like spioled brats putting their daddys car on fire just to see it blow up, because they were bored, spoiled and already had everything else.

 

I don't really belive in Evil as a concept, people decide what's evil. Usualy it involves causing others harm or suffering knowingly(though it's not nessesary for others to think it's evil or wrong), one way or another, to different degrees.

 

If they are playing some kind of game, then I'm not concerned, nothing has changed really.

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It's not their personality or their "evilness" just the the behavior that irked me. Acting like they were normal human and not only in form only that's what i found strange not that they were good or wise or anything.

 

For the rest i mostly agree with you except for the "concept of evil" even tough there's a lot of subjectivities (but where is total objectivity?) like you have yourself noted, the concept is suprinsingly uniform in human civilisations like alot of things actually but that's another debate.

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They have probably been acting human and been posing as humans for a very long time, they are hiding in the middle of a civilisation that would want to kill them if they knew about their existance/presence.

 

Most dragons that ruled humanity in the past were killed, these ones are likely alive because they are hiding and blending with the general population.

 

If they would take Dragonform and start breathing fire and spread chaos and destruction then they would have a bunch of angry mages, soldiers(armies) flying ships and perhaps even other magical creatures comming down on them to end the threat.

 

There is a few of them atm, and they are very much alone in a gigantic hive of creatures(humans) that might seem weak if you encoutner them one on one, but when they come by the thousands or millions you got trouble.

 

Maybe stalker was more interested in not disturbing the hiveswarm of humans and risk an incident that might get him found and killed aswell.

And she was more interested in gaining control over her former Overlord possibly in the interest of gaining power and lost greatness.

 

Maybe it's self-preservation that makes them hide their true nature. They still got that superiority complex but they know they are outmanned so to speak.

 

When a student dies, the faculty investigates, when a first year dies they absolutely investigates, because the first years shoudln't be doing things that dangerous and it's less common to have such "accidents".

What do you think the reaction would be to an investigation turning out the murder of a student commited by a Dragon?

 

I think they got plenty of reason to be careful.

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Adventure of the Cube 08 because it is no longer within the rule limit of this game how about a Incantation Methods based exit that require the Elemental Warrior training? This could very similar to the Negation exit just using the power of earth and air.

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I noticed that several events that involve newly added students like Aaran Ledal and that mercenary kid from monteon wont grant you any friendship points or whatevr I should call it.

 

Helping them by researchign law or following them to the orphanage or helping their mercenary friend should give you some friendship points to help you build on that encounter. Like other student encounters.

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Maybe we could have a year 2 Adventure with Oan and her Clique, when you have sucessfully helped them out and gained some gratitude and friendships points after getting them out of some serious trouble you get the ability to join their study group for a session once a week.

In a part of the Library where second year students arn't supposed to be(Reserved by 3-4 years, and several of the magical books in this part of the library arn't seen as safe for 1-2rd year students, but going there with your friends makes it easier for you to just tag along and avoid notice from the librarians or other 3-4th years.

 

It would gain you one random Advanced class skillstep(Year 2 advanced) of a skill in which you got a Parrentskill of at least 10 in the basic parrentskill.(just by listening and observing them and peaking at their homework, Observe/listen v 15) Having access to study group of 4th years with varying skill sets can be a huge boon! It also allows you to study a skill of your choosing for another 2 skill steps.

If you're really friendly and charming (Befriend/Charm v 30) your friends will even provide you a small demonstration that will increase 1 random skillstep In an advanced skill that you already know.

With a Confidence/Composure V 14 you are also able to increase your study level in your choice of class by 1.(The worry about getting caught can make it hard to concentraton your studies and make it easier to get caught by the Librarians or passer by 3-45th years. A passer by 3rd year won't know all 4th year students and a 4th year won't have bothered to get to know all the 3rd year students, stay cool and they likely won't spot you sitting there with your 4th year friends. Fail the roll and get noticed however, and the Librarians will take notice and escort you out causing 2 points of stress.

 

You could probably clean it up a little, but something like that. Usable once every week. It would be a way to pickup and study the more advanced skills allowed by the Year 2 engine. Even if another 4th year would come over to talk to them s/he would probably think on of the 4th years you're sitting with is your mentor and you're 3rd year student.

It would be interesting to some how capitalise on having a 4th year mentor and friend, rather than a 3rd year that most of the rest of your class would have during their second year.

 

Then I assume we might get to mentor a "first year" aswell, that's another story however :)

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How about a Clique relationship score, between different cliques. Maybe some advanced abilities to affect inter clique relationships.

 

I can definately see diplomacy working here, reating a clique as a group or nation, the you work on better relationships with your neighbouring groups. Or advanced intrigue where you lover it between other cliques.

 

Some kind of mechanic. It could also be a way for future years to allow you to recruit another Clique to help you by providing some kind of support in an Adventure, (In adventure option). Maybe they could help you distract a professor or an oponent, and sicne they wouldn't be directly part of your group and they got an alibi in being there and not doing anything it would be impossible for your victim to figure out who did whatever it was... Wether you were breaking into the illegal items repository or stealing test answers or some other nefarious deed. Perhaps an innocent prank, perfectly executed.

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Came to think of it... Hypnosis isn't illegal and doesn't really count as mastery even if you learn if from the mastery studies. It's also a far less invasive procedure. It's almost like a glamour but you gain more contol over them than you likely would with a glamour.

 

It's still a hostile action, like bully or a hostile spell, but not illegal. It might also work on animals and creatures, a wizard used it on a large crowd in the lore.

 

It can probably be used on animals aswell, especialy if you got a good understanding of animals.(even if it isn't in the game mechanics)

 

It might be easier to resist, but it would be an interesting exit for adventures or events where you can use mastery. As a legal if nasty way of getting what you want.

 

Maybe it could work for later years as a Mastery like option that doesn't isn't true mastery. A scarry and legal exit. An investigator wouldn't find any evidence of mastery on the scene.

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Re Rampart Creature 6 looks like a good place for a Field Medicine exit to fix the wing.

For the Merit Race how about add a -1 Merit per Merit Prize level to the rewards?

If I'm not mistaken this would be multiplied by the number of students of the College and so would result in a much more interesting merit race.

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Maybe Diavisque could be turned into a familiar in a later year if you manage to "give him form".

Maybe for year 3 or 4.

 

Preferably some time after you get the chance to learn how to get a second famliar.

That way you wouldn't have to bring a dragonlike demonic creature to class when the professors got an Wizard and Familiar assignment for you.

 

I have a feeling Diavisque would be an illegal familiar, the faculty might have accepted a baby dragon once but they likely arn't going to be happy about Diavisque the Overlord if that would be possible.

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Up until he Masters you into sacrificing yourself through Gift of the Familiar because you failed him or some such. I wouldn't bet on the patience of a Dragon that spend the last couple of eons as a book, honestly.

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I imagine he would be far too busy noming on his enemies to pay much attention to you. I'd like to know how the dragons treated someone like King Aranaz. Clearly they trusted him...... more than they should have.

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Oh come on guys! look at the bright side! remember a familiar share a bond with his master, right? no imagine what it would be like to have draconic powers? oh and of course a longer life since dragon are apparently almsot immortal... And all the knowledge! all that has been lost since he was transformed, so many things you can learn! and we have the book of gate part right? i'm sure all the gates fan will learn a lot of him in year 2 and later.

and the power! ULTIMATE POWA.. hum, sorry.

 

Of course he might eat you in the end but hey you can't get anything without taking risks right?

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The Dragons tolerated King Aranaz because he did stuff for them. The Dragons didn't care to stop what they were doing and lend an ear every time someone came up to them and asked whether it was wrong for Farmer Bob to have his cattle eat the grass that's closer to Farmer Joe, and what should be done about it if anything. So they sought out select few individuals loyal to them, like King Aranaz masterfully pretended to be, to actually manage day-to-day affairs and disputes like that.

 

At least, I think that's how it works.

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