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Victory Belles Lore questions

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Our first post-interview updates will be about answering a Lore based question about the world, story, a paticular belle, etc. This thread is meant to house those recommendations in a single location. I personally recommend a question involving the Morganas but unsure of what exactly. Anyone else?

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Panay scooped me but I still think the full story on the Battle of the Chocolate between Leningrad and Axum...

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I'd like to know about the development of the War. I suppose it would be spoiler-y looking into the game past starting point, but... Would Germany still attack Poland in September with the Morgana threat? Does the U.K. still guarantee Poland's independence despite the threat of the Morganas, now facing war with Germany and the unknown? I'm getting the impression that the war period is more a backdrop so BCS can use ships from the last great naval battles era, but I'm curious as to how much of the geopolitics we'll see.

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44 minutes ago, Dschuncks said:

I'd like to know about the development of the War. I suppose it would be spoiler-y looking into the game past starting point, but... Would Germany still attack Poland in September with the Morgana threat? Does the U.K. still guarantee Poland's independence despite the threat of the Morganas, now facing war with Germany and the unknown? I'm getting the impression that the war period is more a backdrop so BCS can use ships from the last great naval battles era, but I'm curious as to how much of the geopolitics we'll see.

I believe in Update 4 Mahan answered those questions:

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Next, we must discuss a critical topic: the War. And I don't mean just against the Morgana, Captain.

If it’s one thing that our common human history has shown us, it’s that it’s not so easy to dampen the passions that lead nations to conflict, even if their common policy is the same. If you consider the Franco-Dutch War of...well, I suppose a detailed discussion on this can wait for a moment. *Ahem*

The unpleasant truth is that while we are fighting a war against the Morgana, our nations are waging other wars across the globe. In Europe, the long-dreaded general war has arrived, and shows no signs of weakening. In Asia, the Japanese Empire maintains the attack in China, and demands no interference with its policies from the League or another other Nation.

If we truly are going to work together to defeat the threat, we are going to have to navigate troubled waters. That means we may choose to influence or settle the outcome of the great conflicts going on around us, and that could put us opposition with the very nations we're sworn to defend. This is The War, Captain.

 

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I'm interested to know if Belles can only fight Morganas or can they help defend a convoy from U-Boat attack if they're there as escort, or aid with fire support on a beach landing? If a Battleship cannot provide bombardment on critical enemy positions because it's a Belle and can only target Morganas, then by 1944 D-Day would need maybe twice the number of ships as most might have Belles by then. 

Basically, can Belles help the World War at all?

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I would like to know how much cost is required for human side when Morganas fights a human fleet without Belles.

For example, do we need several battleships to defeat a Morganas light cruiser?

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On 15.07.2017 at 0:03 AM, Dschuncks said:

I'd like to know about the development of the War. I suppose it would be spoiler-y looking into the game past starting point, but... Would Germany still attack Poland in September with the Morgana threat? Does the U.K. still guarantee Poland's independence despite the threat of the Morganas, now facing war with Germany and the unknown? I'm getting the impression that the war period is more a backdrop so BCS can use ships from the last great naval battles era, but I'm curious as to how much of the geopolitics we'll see.

 

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I. The appearance of the Morgana and the Belles

The first Morgana attacks on the morning of 1 September 1939 went almost without notice in diplomatic channels. Most of the European legations were preoccupied by the promise of general war on the continent, and few took notice of the disquieting rumors from the seas and the navies.

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II. The Case for International Cooperation

The losses were tremendous, but it wasn’t until Sunday, 3 September, that the United Kingdom brought the matter before the League of Nations in an emergency session. Although the Axis powers were not members, their diplomats observed and participated. The nature of the evidence presented in the Palace of Nations at Geneva clearly showed that the attacks were not made by the belligerent powers...or of any known power, for that matter.

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V. Towards a Formal Accord

On 28 September, the League of Nations held a conference in Lisbon, which most of the world’s sea powers attended. That conference proposed a formalization and extension of the gentleman’s agreement, and subsequent conferences in Zurich in October and November brought an ugly, uncomfortable deal together: the International Naval Protection Force of 1939 was born.

UPD 5

 

19 hours ago, Wellington99 said:

I'm interested to know if Belles can only fight Morganas or can they help defend a convoy from U-Boat attack if they're there as escort, or aid with fire support on a beach landing? If a Battleship cannot provide bombardment on critical enemy positions because it's a Belle and can only target Morganas, then by 1944 D-Day would need maybe twice the number of ships as most might have Belles by then. 

Basically, can Belles help the World War at all?

 

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A loose Gentleman’s Agreement, brokered by Belle Captains on the high seas, began to evolve: Belles would fight Morgana by preference (often against orders), and leave human battles as secondary. The frequency of contact alone made for exhausting sorties in those first months, but it began to work.

 

UPD 5

 

TLDR: Belles impact on Land war is much better q

 

 

13 hours ago, jojosqex said:

I would like to know how much cost is required for human side when Morganas fights a human fleet without Belles.

 

It requires fleet-level operation against single ship. Or a Belle. *Epic* math here.

 

*popcorn*

 

 

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What I'm hoping for is a pic of how a Belle appears with an actual ship.  Didn't the devs say that they took inspiration from Arpeggio...meaning that the Belle has a physical ship that is used to fight the villains?

 

Also...will the villains be in ships as well?  Will they look like ghost vessels?

 

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11 minutes ago, Procyon said:

What I'm hoping for is a pic of how a Belle appears with an actual ship.  Didn't the devs say that they took inspiration from Arpeggio...meaning that the Belle has a physical ship that is used to fight the villains?

 

Also...will the villains be in ships as well?  Will they look like ghost vessels?

From Update #14:

(first question answer in blue.  Second in red.)

Spoiler

The Morgana Threat

The first reports of Morgana activity- in particular, their Mists, came in the pre-dawn hours of 1 September, 1939. At first considered to be meteorological events, any vessels entering them quickly discovered that wasn’t the case. Only a handful of ships survived those encounters, Captain, and almost all of those had Belles manifest aboard.

From that date, the Morganas have shown clear intent to expand not just their Mists, but their operational area- sending out fleets on a daily basis to harass shipping, prevent maneuver, and, chillingly, raid coasts. Early conventional attempts to stop them ended in disaster, but we Belles have proven their equal. And, may I add, sir? Will always. *Ahem!*

Their attacks appear essentially at random, and while dangerous, show no signs of a larger strategic goal. About that, sir...well, before we come to that, I suppose we ought to discuss where our information primarily comes from.

How we know what we know

As the Morganas do not communicate, and since very few conventional ships have survived one of their attacks, you may have asked yourself: how do we know anything at all about them? How did we name their ships? How is it that we are able to defeat them? The answer is, of course, we Belles.

Sir, it is a little difficult to explain, but among our talents is the ability to know when a Morgana is near, what her name is, and a general sense of course and heading. In battle, we can sometimes tell if they are wounded, and where, and even the best place to direct our fire.

I’m afraid that I cannot shed any light on how we know, sir, only that we *do* know. I…*ahem*...dislike relying on, shall we say, intuition, but in this case everything we feel to be true seems to be correct. I trust that more scientific analysis will eventually replace this over-reliance on emotion, sir!

Morgana Metallurgy

Although approaching a dying Morgana has its risks, enterprising Captains have attempted the perilous crossing more than once, and modern science is very glad for it!

Hull materials range from easily recognized Krupp steel, to truly exotic materials, which flake and shard under the lightest touch. Simple tests indicate similar performance to our armor, sir, in regards to the Krupp samples- the other material does not seem to have any value, as even normal shipboard vibrations can render it to dust!

Captured machine parts are capable of independent functioning -even in the absence of a power source!- and have resulted in numerous injuries in the past. Please handle salvage of this type with caution, sir!

Internal machinery has been confirmed by chemists to be largely made of a porous tantalum of great refinement. Sadly, we’ve thus far been unable to gain access to a Morgana boiler or engine room, so their method of powering their ships is as yet unknown.

Hasty sketches and small cuttings from their naval rifles and anti-aircraft guns give an unknown origin but conventional type of weapon, as well as indicate an enemy capable of production of exquisite gun barrel steel. *Ahem* Combat results seem to vindicate these conclusions as well, sir.

Captain, whoever the Morganas are, their underlying ships are the equal of our own.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Panay's Ghost said:

From Update #14:

(first question answer in blue.  Second in red.)

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The Morgana Threat

The first reports of Morgana activity- in particular, their Mists, came in the pre-dawn hours of 1 September, 1939. At first considered to be meteorological events, any vessels entering them quickly discovered that wasn’t the case. Only a handful of ships survived those encounters, Captain, and almost all of those had Belles manifest aboard.

From that date, the Morganas have shown clear intent to expand not just their Mists, but their operational area- sending out fleets on a daily basis to harass shipping, prevent maneuver, and, chillingly, raid coasts. Early conventional attempts to stop them ended in disaster, but we Belles have proven their equal. And, may I add, sir? Will always. *Ahem!*

Their attacks appear essentially at random, and while dangerous, show no signs of a larger strategic goal. About that, sir...well, before we come to that, I suppose we ought to discuss where our information primarily comes from.

How we know what we know

As the Morganas do not communicate, and since very few conventional ships have survived one of their attacks, you may have asked yourself: how do we know anything at all about them? How did we name their ships? How is it that we are able to defeat them? The answer is, of course, we Belles.

Sir, it is a little difficult to explain, but among our talents is the ability to know when a Morgana is near, what her name is, and a general sense of course and heading. In battle, we can sometimes tell if they are wounded, and where, and even the best place to direct our fire.

I’m afraid that I cannot shed any light on how we know, sir, only that we *do* know. I…*ahem*...dislike relying on, shall we say, intuition, but in this case everything we feel to be true seems to be correct. I trust that more scientific analysis will eventually replace this over-reliance on emotion, sir!

Morgana Metallurgy

Although approaching a dying Morgana has its risks, enterprising Captains have attempted the perilous crossing more than once, and modern science is very glad for it!

Hull materials range from easily recognized Krupp steel, to truly exotic materials, which flake and shard under the lightest touch. Simple tests indicate similar performance to our armor, sir, in regards to the Krupp samples- the other material does not seem to have any value, as even normal shipboard vibrations can render it to dust!

Captured machine parts are capable of independent functioning -even in the absence of a power source!- and have resulted in numerous injuries in the past. Please handle salvage of this type with caution, sir!

Internal machinery has been confirmed by chemists to be largely made of a porous tantalum of great refinement. Sadly, we’ve thus far been unable to gain access to a Morgana boiler or engine room, so their method of powering their ships is as yet unknown.

Hasty sketches and small cuttings from their naval rifles and anti-aircraft guns give an unknown origin but conventional type of weapon, as well as indicate an enemy capable of production of exquisite gun barrel steel. *Ahem* Combat results seem to vindicate these conclusions as well, sir.

Captain, whoever the Morganas are, their underlying ships are the equal of our own.

 

 

Fascinating!  So they do have physical ships (as opposed to the Belles fighting directly like Kancolle).

I just wanted to see a picture of this combination in Lore :).

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A lot of these questions have been answered in the nearly 80 page long General Questions thread.  For belles, yes they have their own ships, which require crews.  There's a lot of information that can also be taken from the Fanfics.  In general the writers have paid attention well to the setting so you can probably get an answer from one of the Fanfics in the writer's corner.  You could also ask any of the writers.  It's certainly easier than reading through the general questions thread and all the updates for hidden info.

 

I would highly recommend reading An Enterprising Captain.  It's the best story in the fanfic section.

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2 hours ago, Ninjapacman said:

A lot of these questions have been answered in the nearly 80 page long General Questions thread.  For belles, yes they have their own ships, which require crews.  There's a lot of information that can also be taken from the Fanfics.  In general the writers have paid attention well to the setting so you can probably get an answer from one of the Fanfics in the writer's corner.  You could also ask any of the writers.  It's certainly easier than reading through the general questions thread and all the updates for hidden info.

That's the sole reason why I have nothing to contribute here. Every question I can or could come up with until now is answered somewhere already. I find it really hard to formulate a valid and unanswered one.
But maybe I have the wrong concept of answers in my mind and seeing the first Lore related update will set it free and I will explode with questions. idk. -_-

Edit: Oh, oh I got one: Do the Belles have any memory of Belles who awoke in the distant past maybe? Like in the "golden age of piracy" or in the classic ancient times? Or when the sea people came? I don't think that Lore question was answered anywhere yet. Amiright??? ^_^

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2 hours ago, Käpt'n Korky said:

Edit: Oh, oh I got one: Do the Belles have any memory of Belles who awoke in the distant past maybe? Like in the "golden age of piracy" or in the classic ancient times? Or when the sea people came? I don't think that Lore question was answered anywhere yet. Amiright??? ^_^

Ooh, I second this one! 

This maaaay have been answered in General Thread, but are Belle manifestations much physically stronger than humans? Are some belles physically stronger than others, regardless of or related to their ship size?  (Salt Lake City boxing with the sailors and Pola punching Mahan brings this to mind)

Further on that, if they do physically injure themselves, are they manifesting blood to look more human? Or if they're heavily damaged via a fight or naval battle, would they look more mechanically damaged, like a Morgana or a broken doll? 

(Just weird things I'm wondering about ...) 

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The best place to look for accurate lore are the KickStarter page. That has all been vetted by the creative team who are actually creating the lore in the first place. :-)

The interviews are also great, although many details are to be taken with a grain of salt since they're non canon for mechanical nuances like distance from ship. Mahan's kite ride was a flight of fancy, for example. But I'm sure the view was marvelous. :-)

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6 hours ago, Ninjapacman said:

A lot of these questions have been answered in the nearly 80 page long General Questions thread.  For belles, yes they have their own ships, which require crews.  There's a lot of information that can also be taken from the Fanfics.  In general the writers have paid attention well to the setting so you can probably get an answer from one of the Fanfics in the writer's corner.  You could also ask any of the writers.  It's certainly easier than reading through the general questions thread and all the updates for hidden info.

 

 

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I would highly recommend reading An Enterprising Captain.  It's the best story in the fanfic section.

Shameless self promotion

*Popcorn*

 

As one of those writes, I can confirm that we try to make sure our fics are as canon to the lore of Belles as possible. Obviously there'll be some moments that may be changed by the team later on down the line but we do our best to stay true.

At least this thread serves as a way to get answers to those questions without diving into the depths of Gen Discussion.

 

 

Don't forget to check out my fic "A Bittersweet Symphony" *shameless self promotion*

*wonders if I remember how to use spoiler tags* 

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Fanfiction = reliable source of accurate lore

If this math computes, I urge you to never sign a contract without legal review. Yes, I'm a VB fanfic writer but I wouldn't exactly pass off The Improbable Captain as a reliable source of lore no matter how meticulous I may be - and trust me I am. My fic is a fun flight of fancy - a great yarn about being in the right place at the wrong time. Or is that the wrong place at the right time?  It's not meant as a VB tutorial. I urge anyone looking for a such a tutorial to run, not walk, from my little drabble. 

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2 hours ago, DrYuriMom said:

Fanfiction = reliable source of accurate lore

If this math computes, I urge you to never sign a contract without legal review. Yes, I'm a VB fic writer but I wouldn't exactly pass off The Improbable Captain as a reliable source of lore no matter how meticulous I may be - and trust me I am. My fic is a fun flight of fancy - a great yarn about being in the right place at the wrong time. Or is that the wrong place at the right time?  It's not meant as a VB tutorial. I urge anyone looking for a such a tutorial to run, not walk, from my little drabble. 

I think there is a bit of a misunderstanding. I don't believe they were implying that the fanfics are reliable sources of lore but instead that the lore had influenced the fanfics and common points arise from reading them. The Belle's manifest from the Morgana fog. They usually choose a captain to follow themselves regardless of rank or position. The belles use the actual ships to fight and not direct combat as seen in KC. These are all bits of lore that influenced the fanfics that can be seen by reading them. It's the same way that I wouldn't say that WW2 movies are reliable sources of information but that someone can learn common themes from WW2 from them. Mainly in the 1940's, two sides involving all the major nations of the war at some point, etc.

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2 hours ago, RockyArby said:

I think there is a bit of a misunderstanding. I don't believe they were implying that the fanfics are reliable sources of lore but instead that the lore had influenced the fanfics and common points arise from reading them. The Belle's manifest from the Morgana fog. They usually choose a captain to follow themselves regardless of rank or position. The belles use the actual ships to fight and not direct combat as seen in KC. These are all bits of lore that influenced the fanfics that can be seen by reading them. It's the same way that I wouldn't say that WW2 movies are reliable sources of information but that someone can learn common themes from WW2 from them. Mainly in the 1940's, two sides involving all the major nations of the war at some point, etc.

This is a pretty good summary.  Yes, even the most meticulous of us doesn't know what's in the VB team's heads.  We can't provide a perfect example or answer for every question, but we have most of the basic ones covered.

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>_<

 

8 hours ago, LibraS said:

 

This maaaay have been answered in General Thread, but are Belle manifestations much physically stronger than humans? Are some belles physically stronger than others, regardless of or related to their ship size?  (Salt Lake City boxing with the sailors and Pola punching Mahan brings this to mind)

Spoiler

 

General Q: p 21,32....

 

 

8 hours ago, LibraS said:

 

Further on that, if they do physically injure themselves, are they manifesting blood to look more human? Or if they're heavily damaged via a fight or naval battle, would they look more mechanically damaged, like a Morgana or a broken doll? 

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General Q: p 29

 

7 hours ago, Wellington99 said:

I can confirm that we try to make sure our fics are as canon to the lore of Belles as possible.

Spoiler

*Add "Establishing fanon before realease of canon" to crimes time paradoxes list*

 

1 hour ago, Ninjapacman said:

Yes, even the most meticulous of us doesn't know what's in the VB team's heads

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About 1,7kg of brain matter per head <_<

 

*FAQ when?*

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*popcorn*

 

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I do not know if there was such a question, but during the war from 1939-1945 there was an internment of warships in neutral ports of neutral countries, such as Sweden's Polish submarines. What is happening when the belles will go a neutral port. Is it interned or something else?

For example, the Swedes in the case of fighting against the Germans or threatening the fall of Finland wanted to include Polish submarines in their fleet. On the other hand, the Finns during the Winter War with the Soviet Union wanted Polish submarines to hire Polish Navy submarines with their Polish crews from Sweden.

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6 hours ago, Shirogane said:

I do not know if there was such a question, but during the war from 1939-1945 there was an internment of warships in neutral ports of neutral countries, such as Sweden's Polish submarines. What is happening when the belles will go a neutral port. Is it interned or something else?

For example, the Swedes in the case of fighting against the Germans or threatening the fall of Finland wanted to include Polish submarines in their fleet. On the other hand, the Finns during the Winter War with the Soviet Union wanted Polish submarines to hire Polish Navy submarines with their Polish crews from Sweden.

I asked something related in the general questions. The answer was, neutral ports are usable but only to a minor degree than allied ports. You can resupply, but you can't build new ships there for example.
Internment wouldn't make much sense imho, because if you join the Belle-squad you will more or less be forced to join, or at least treated like a member of, the INPF. And the INPF is a neutral, international force that helps humanity.

So in theory you should be able to achieve to harbour your ORP Wicher in Wilhelmshaven if you want to later in the game. Depending on your progress I suppose.

Edit: I don't want to doublepost, so I edit this one.
It's kind of a specific question and it was blocked once, but since we are asked for Lore questions now: What harbours are implemented ingame and why (possible City A instead of possible City B, or why THAT neutral port.)? It really interests me.

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What does the general public of each nation think of the Belles?

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3 hours ago, Legate of Mineta said:

KK;

They probably won't answer that, but if you want to ask it in a different way, maybe...:)

Well some ports ARE known expressis verbis through the KS-Campaign and it IS known for who has more than one port (usually major powers) and who doesn't (usually minor powers). 
My question would aim at an explanation what criteria were used in choosing some ports that aren't obvious. Scapa flow would be obvious*, but what if they chose something on the british mainland? And how were secondary ports for britain and italy chosen?  And if not Kiel for the Ost.... Baltic sea, why not? 

*just like San Diego, Norfolk, Wilhelmshafen, Napoli.... all well known major military ports.

And another one related to a german specific thing: Will the Kiel-Canal be passable ingame? (even the Scharnhorst-class fits, jfyi)

 

2 hours ago, RockyArby said:

What does the general public of each nation think of the Belles?

Much better question than mine.

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2 hours ago, Käpt'n Korky said:

Well some ports ARE known expressis verbis through the KS-Campaign and it IS known for who has more than one port (usually major powers) and who doesn't (usually minor powers). 
My question would aim at an explanation what criteria were used in choosing some ports that aren't obvious. Scapa flow would be obvious*, but what if they chose something on the british mainland? And how were secondary ports for britain and italy chosen?  And if not Kiel for the Ost.... Baltic sea, why not? 

*just like San Diego, Norfolk, Wilhelmshafen, Napoli.... all well known major military ports.

And another one related to a german specific thing: Will the Kiel-Canal be passable ingame? (even the Scharnhorst-class fits, jfyi)

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You're thinking it from wrong end.

By the grace of ze Devs, we are blessed with Region/Campaign/Mission structure. That means our task is not to wait for poor someone too far from port to stick enough holes in his waterline and observe him uselessly trying to row to the port , ours is to pointedly wander between battles bashing anyone saner and making more sense then possible. Which means using first not-always-your-nation port im Arsch der Welt.

How that is justified by Lore will be better Q (and probably answer to the interned belles lays somewhere here)

Then, in IRL first criteria will be repair dock availability (then resupply and position). Given that 2/3 of them are in global UI (and not in mission one)...

 

 

 

 

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