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I would assume that weddings would be like their actual irl state as in the higher you are in the noble ranks, the more expensive and grander the weddings are along with being more formal. Perhaps the common folk is just a priest or someone of authority blessing the marriage and they have a small party to celebrate

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I *think* the training modifier basically tells us how many skill steps are needed -1 or something like that. Attributes seem to subtract the total amount of skill steps needed, but there's a limit on it because even high attributes won't necessarily lower it all the way to 1, so there might be some division involved.

 

That isn't very scientific, but it's what I 'feel' from playing the game.

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I kinda, sorta, maybe at some point subconsciously thought that it was ((current SL+1)×TM)-relevant attribute, rounded up, minimum 0. So getting from SL 4 to 5 on a TM 1.50 skill with 5 attribute would be ((4+1)×1.5)-5=2.5 rounded up to 3 SS, and any skill that has it's TM reduced to 0 always results in needing 0 SS/SL since anything×0=0. Does that sound about right?

 

Also, does Calligraphy class teaching 17 skill steps worth of Forms, a 1.00 TM skill, sound right? I'm doing some research on classes and how useless they are (again), and, eh...not sure if a 1.00 TM skill needs that many skill steps, truth be told.

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Hah! It really does that? Yet despite even on my high attribute playthroughs I still find Orthography doesn't receive enough skill steps that I have to step in and train a few skill steps manually, Wow! That kind of really sucks.

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Calligraphy teaches 16 steps worth of Orthography, unfortunately it's a 1.5 TM skill so it needs the extra help (and than some, apparently). Incidentally, 3 of those steps are taught in Athonos, another in Pramidi and another two in Gelamenus, so you might not have high attributes by that point. Finesse is a rather rare attribute increase, IIRC.

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Yeah. that sounds about right. I never felt Orthography was really bad about it, but It was notable that I always had to put in that little extra.

 

I never found it as annoying as raising palettes in Enchantment, though. Especially since I never take the class. Apart from Sync, that's literally the only direct magic skill just don't get around to.

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If you were to enrol in it, Enchant teaches 15 steps of Palettes. Mind, it's a 1.80 TM skill. Incidentally I've found that like a half-dozen classes other than Calligraphy also toss in a step of Forms, Music even two, so...yeah. You're going to have Forms at 10 unless you Master yourself, apparently.

 

Almost done with the list, BTW, just one more...

 

EDIT: And done. Behold, a list of all the skill steps that the Y1 classes teach:

 

Arithmetic - 73
-Accounting
-Administration
-Applications of Arithmetic (×13)
-Cryptology
-Famous Prose
-First Principles
-Identities of Arithmetic (×13)
-Logic (×2)
-Memorization (×4)
-Properties of Arithmetic (×15)
-Puzzles
-Reason (×4)
-Theory of Arithmetic (×15)
-Theory of Astrology

01. Amanda Kiffer
Antonio de Reyez e Irizarry-Vargas
Asmita Tidar
Avgust Kostrodyrets
05. Basia Rydz
Cante Caviti
Caspar Pfeuffer
Catherine Chard
Cirillo Laziosi
10. Cordelia Troublepot
Corradin d'Alfi
Courtenay de Surval
Eliana Carosi
Emilia Strolin
15. Everwine von Zoedorf
Flore Yveuillet
Herbert Downes
Joana Lio y Rossollo
Llarina de Avuel
20. Louise Kandinsky
Magalda Quaranta
Magsa Nembo
Malacresta Vercesi
Marc Sury
25. Neso Ulleri
Olivia Solari
Philip Hauck
Philippe Marchant
Prudence Cossins
30. Reitz von Lutersee
Rixenda la Serena
Rui da Casga
Sheary Warrington
Vincent Eins
35. Vincent Warrender
Vuillaume Eparvier

Astrology - 74
-Alchemical Tools (×2)
-Cartography
-Clockwork (×2)
-Comets (×2)
-Courtly Fashion
-Famous Battles
-Geometric Laws
-Glamour Phemes
-Glamour Spells (×3)
-Moons (×15)
-Navigation
-Observation
-Planets (×13)
-Stars (×15)
-The Early Empire
-Theology
-Theory of Astrology (×13)

01. Aaran Ledale
Ana Flavia Bessa
Asmita Tidar
Ausdauer Mollers
05. Avgust Kostrodyrets
Beatrix von Wetgen
Cinzia Ammacapani
Cosetta Re
Courtenay de Surval
10. Cyrus Dawes
Eduard Solov'ev
Emilia Picotti
Gwendy Zuyder
Irene Oxina
15. Katja Quinnecht
Malacresta Vercesi
Neso Ulleri
Neta Xemutre
Olivia Solari
20. Oriabel Sidot
Philip Hauck
Philippe Marchant
Tabin Furenzti
Uliva Valaresso
25. Vrenelle Bonvin

Athletics - 77
-Anatomy
-Competition (×15)
-Coordination (×2)
-Endurance (×5)
-Escape Artist
-Famous Battles
-Fish
-Flawless Timing (×2)
-Intimidation (×2)
-Navigation
-Passion
-Patience
-Playfulness
-Running (×14)
-Swimming (×14)
-Willpower
-Wrestling (×14)

01. Alan Driscoll
Aymeri Couer
Carmine Sturzo
Cirillo Laziosi
05. Corradin d'Alfi
Cosetta Re
Cyrus Dawes
Eduard Solov'ev
Els Rottmundyn
10. Grainne Inneith
Gwendy Zuyder
Irene Oxina
Isabeau Glorieux
Joana Lio y Rossollo
15. Katja Quinnecht
Lambert Cobo
Llarina de Avuel
Louise Kandinsky
Luti Jaconelli
20. Marc Sury
Miya Hikari
Neso Ulleri
Noemia Falcon y Paredes
Oriabel Sidot
25. Philippe Marchant
Raoul Leconte
Reitz von Lutersee
Silke Niederstatter
Vettor Conta
30. Vincent Eins
Vrenelle Bonvin
Vuillaume Eparvier
Zorzi Galea

Botany - 77
-Agriculture (×13)
-Birds (×2)
-Chemistry
-Courtly Fashion
-Decipher Handwriting
-Flowers (×13)
-Greengrocery (×2)
-Illustration (×3)
-Ink Compounds
-Library Knowledge (×2)
-Observation (×2)
-Palettes
-Perfumes
-Poisons (×2)
-Recipes
-Roots (×14)
-Seeds (×16)
-Worms

01. Ana Flavia Bessa
Asmita Tidar
Avgust Kostrodyrets
Beatrix von Wetgen
05. Cinzia Ammacapani
Corradin d'Alfi
Durand de Thiomines
Eliana Carosi
Emilia Picotti
10. Flore Yveuillet
Girars de Periarde
Grainne Inneith
Honors Plafox
Jere Niemela
15. Katja Quinnecht
Kurt Henning
Lambert Cobo
Louise Kandinsky
Magsa Nembo
20. Mairgrete Strakley
Montague Ruffo
Neta Xemutre
Piccolet Gleyre
Prudence Cossins
25. Rikildis von Kiep
Rixenda la Serena
Rui da Casga
Sheary Warrington
Tacito Viadana
30. Tulia Faspalla
Uliva Valaresso
Vincent Warrender
Vrenelle Bonvin

Calligraphy - 76
-Alchemical Tools
-Analyse
-Anatomy
-Art Appreciation (×2)
-Birds
-Chemistry
-Flowers
-Forms (×17)
-Illustration (×13)
-Ink Compounds (×14)
-Library Knowledge (×3)
-Mammals
-Memorization
-Orthography (×16)
-Painting
-Patience (×2)

01. Antonio de Reyez e Irizarry-Vargas
Aveline Cincebeaux
Aymeri Couer
Basia Rydz
05. Carmine Sturzo
Catherine Chard
Courtenay de Surval
Els Rottmundyn
Emilia Picotti
10. Emilia Strolin
Everwine von Zoedorf
Grainne Inneith
Hector Per Vittoria
Joana Lio y Rossollo
15. Kurt Henning
Magalda Quaranta
Malacresta Vercesi
Milena di Montors
Miya Hikari
20. Montague Ruffo
Noemia Falcon y Paredes
Philip Hauck
Raoul Leconte
Rikildis von Kiep
25. Rixenda la Serena
Sigalis du Sonmeil
Tabin Furenzti
Vrenelle Bonvin

Dialectic - 58
-Civil Law
-Conversation
-Criminal Law
-Debate
-Famous Dilemmas (×15)
-Famous Speeches (×2)
-First Principles (×13)
-Logic (×15)
-Puzzles
-Reason (×3)
-Semantics
-Storytelling
-Temperance
-The Middle Empire
-Wit

01. Aaran Ledale
Antonio de Reyez e Irizarry-Vargas
Cante Caviti
Cordelia Troublepot
05. Corradin d'Alfi
Cosetta Re
Durand de Thiomines
Eliana Carosi
Emilia Strolin
10. Everwine von Zoedorf
Flore Yveuillet
Honors Plafox
Jere Niemela
Kurt Henning
15. Lambert Cobo
Leopold Rassent
Luti Jaconelli
Magsa Nembo
Malacresta Vercesi
20. Malthezar Mhadi
Marc Sury
Milena di Montors
Olivia Solari
Piccolet Gleyre
25. Prudence Cossins
Rikildis von Kiep
Sheary Warrington
Sigalis du Sonmeil
Sima Venesico
30. Tulia Faspalla
Vincent Warrender

Enchant - 59
-Carpentry
-Concentration
-Glamour Spells
-Ink Compounds
-Jeweler
-Library Knowledge
-Materials Knowledge (×12)
-Memorization (×2)
-Music Theory
-Observation (×2)
-Painting
-Palettes (×15)
-Roots
-The History of Magic (×2)
-Theology
-Theory of Enchantment (×15)
-Theory of Incantation

01. Alan Driscoll
Amada Kiffer
Asmita Tidar
Ausdauer Mollers
05. Avgust Kostrodyrets
Aymeri Couer
Cante Caviti
Caspar Pfeuffer
Catherine Chard
10. Cinzia Ammacapani
Cordelia Troublepot
Corradin d'Alfi
Eduard Solov'ev
Everwine von Zoedorf
15. Herbert Downes
Honors Plafox
Joana Lio y Rossollo
Louise Kandinsky
Magalda Quaranta
20. Marc Sury
Noemia Falcon y Paredes
Philip Hauck
Rixenda la Serena
Rui da Casga
25. Sheary Warrington
Tabin Furenzti
Uliva Valaresso
Vincent Eins
Vuillaume Eparvier

Geometry - 56
-Applications of Arithmetic
-Cartography
-Duelling Circles
-Famous Battles
-Famous Geometry Problems (×15)
-Geometric Laws (×16)
-Knots
-Memorization
-Moons
-Planets
-Stars
-Trigonometry (×16)

01. Aaran Ledale
Alan Driscoll
Ana Flavia Bessa
Avgust Kostrodyrets
05. Basia Rydz
Beatrix von Wetgen
Caspar Pfeuffer
Cinzia Ammacapani
Cordelia Troublepot
10. Cosetta Re
Courtenay de Surval
Cyrus Dawes
Emilia Picotti
Flore Yveuillet
15. Gwendy Zuyder
Hector Per Vittoria
Irene Oxina
Isabeau Glorieux
Malacresta Vercesi
20. Olivia Solari
Oriabel Sidot
Rui da Casga
Sima Venesico
Tabin Furenzti
25. Tacito Viadana
Vettor Conta

Glamour - 75
-Art Appreciation (×2)
-Concentration
-Cosmetics
-Court Hairstyles
-Courtly Fashion
-Ethics
-Forms
-Glamour Methods (×14)
-Glamour Phemes (×16)
-Glamour Spells (×14)
-Observation (×2)
-Painting
-Playfulness
-Practical Jokes
-Satyric Revelry
-The History of Magic
-The Middle Empire
-Theory of Glamour (×14)
-Theory of Negation

01. Aaran Ledale
Ausdauer Mollers
Aymeri Couer
Cyrus Dawes
05. Eduard Solov'ev
Eliana Carosi
Els Rottmundyn
Emilia Picotti
Everwine von Zoedorf
10. Grainne Inneith
Gwendy Zuyder
Herbert Downes
Isabeau Glorieux
Iustus Venture
15. Jere Niemela
Leopold Rassent
Llarina de Avuel
Mairgrete Strakley
Milena di Montors
20. Montague Ruffo
Neta Xemutre
Olivia Solari
Reitz von Lutersee
Rixenda la Serena
25. Rui da Casga
Sheary Warrington
Sigalis du Sonmeil
Silke Niederstatter
Sima Venesico
30. Tacito Viadana
Vettor Conta
Zoe Melis
Zorzi Galea

Grammar - 80
-Bluff
-Comets
-Etiquette
-Famous Battles
-Famous Poetry (×16)
-Famous Prose (×15)
-Famous Speeches
-Flirting
-Innuendo
-Memorization
-Oratory
-Reason
-Romance
-Semantics (×16)
-Storytelling
-Syntax (×14)
-The Exile
-The Second Captivity
-Theatre
-Theory of Astrology
-Wit (×2)

01. Asmita Tidar
Ausdauer Mollers
Cirillo Laziosi
Cosetta Re
05. Eduard Solov'ev
Els Rottmundyn
Emilia Strolin
Girars de Periarde
Hector Per Vittoria
10. Herbert Downes
Honors Plafox
Isabeau Glorieux
Iustus Venture
Jere Niemela
15. Leopold Rassent
Magalda Quaranta
Marc Sury
Milena di Montors
Miya Hikari
20. Neso Ulleri
Neta Xemutre
Philip Hauck
Prudence Cossins
Raoul Leconte
25. Reitz von Lutersee
Rikildis von Kiep
Rui da Casga
Sigalis du Sonmeil
Sima Venesico
30. Tacito Viadana
Tulia Faspalla
Uliva Valaresso
Vuillaume Eparvier
Zoe Melis

History - 79
-Agriculture
-Anthropology (×2)
-Archaeology (×2)
-Architecture
-Art Appreciation
-Bookbinding
-Comets
-Courtly Fashion
-Decipher Handwriting
-Ethics
-Famous Speeches
-Forms
-Notation
-The Calamities (×17)
-The Early Empire (×15)
-The History of Magic (×16)
-The Middle Empire (×14)
-Theology (×2)

01. Aaran Ledale
Alan Driscoll
Antonio de Reyez e Irizarry-Vargas
Aveline Cincebeaux
05. Avgust Kostrodyrets
Aymeri Couer
Basia Rydz
Carmine Sturzo
Catherine Chard
10. Courtenay de Surval
Durand de Thiomines
Emilia Strolin
Grainne Inneith
Iustus Venture
15. Malacresta Vercesi
Malthezar Mhadi
Milena di Montors
Montague Ruffo
Oriabel Sidot
20. Raoul Leconte
Rikildis von Kiep
Rixenda la Serena
Tabin Furenzti
Vettor Conta
25. Vincent Eins
Vincent Warrender
Vrenelle Bonvin
Zoe Melis

Incantation - 75
-Composure
-Coordination
-Danger Sense
-Diction
-Drafting
-First Principles
-Flawless Timing
-Forms
-Incantation Methods (×15)
-Incantation Phemes (×15)
-Incantation Spells (×15)
-Materials Knowledge
-Mimicry
-Observation
-Patience
-The History of Magic
-Theory of Incantation (×16)
-Theory of Revision

01. Alan Driscoll
Aveline Cincebeaux
Beatrix von Wetgen
Carmine Sturzo
05. Caspar Pfeuffer
Cirillo Laziosi
Cordelia Troublepot
Cosetta Re
Durand de Thiomines
10. Emilia Strolin
Gwendy Zuyder
Hector Per Vittoria
Irene Oxina
Iustus Venture
15. Katja Quinnecht
Kurt Henning
Llarina de Avuel
Luti Jaconelli
Malthezar Mhadi
20. Milena di Montors
Miya Hikari
Neso Ulleri
Noemia Falcon y Paredes
Philip Hauck
25. Piccolet Gleyre
Reitz von Lutersee
Silke Niederstatter
Vincent Eins
Vincent Warrender
30. Vuillaume Eparvier
Zoe Melis
Zorzi Galea

Music - 61
-Composure
-Decipher Handwriting
-Diction
-Famous Songs (×16)
-Forms (×2)
-Ink Compounds
-Intimidation
-Listen (×2)
-Mimicry (×2)
-Notation (×13)
-Oratory
-Prayer
-Revision Spells
-Tease
-Theatre
-Voice (×15)
-Wit

01. Alan Driscoll
Amada Kiffer
Aveline Cincebeaux
Cante Caviti
05. Cinzia Ammacapani
Cirillo Laziosi
Cordelia Troublepot
Courtenay de Surval
Cyrus Dawes
10. Emilia Picotti
Flore Yveuillet
Grainne Inneith
Herbert Downes
Katja Quinnecht
15. Leopold Rassent
Llarina de Avuel
Luti Jaconelli
Magsa Nembo
Mairgrete Strakley
20. Malthezar Mhadi
Miya Hikari
Neso Ulleri
Noemia Falcon y Paredes
Oriabel Sidot
25. Piccolet Gleyre
Rikildis von Kiep
Silke Niederstatter
Vincent Eins
Vuillaume Eparvier
30. Zorzi Galea

Negation - 77
-Concentration
-Danger Sense
-Diction
-Ethics
-First Principles
-Flawless Timing
-Forms
-Incantation Phemes
-Magical Appraisal
-Negation Methods (×15)
-Negation Phemes (×17)
-Negation Spells (×15)
-Observation
-Palettes
-Phemes
-The History of Magic
-Theory of Enchantment
-Theory of Glamour
-Theory of Negation (×15)

01. Aaran Ledale
Ana Flavia Bessa
Asmita Tidar
Aveline Cincebeaux
05. Basia Rydz
Carmine Sturzo
Catherine Chard
Corradin d'Alfi
Durand de Thiomines
10. Els Rottmundyn
Flore Yveuillet
Girars de Periarde
Honors Plafox
Irene Oxina
15. Jere Niemela
Kurt Henning
Lambert Cobo
Magalda Quaranta
Magsa Nembo
20. Oriabel Sidot
Philippe Marchant
Piccolet Gleyre
Prudence Cossins
Sheary Warrington
25. Sigalis du Sonmeil
Silke Niederstatter
Tacito Viadana
Tulia Faspalla
Vincent Warrender

Revision - 75
-Anatomy
-Artisan
-Concentration
-Danger Sense
-Duelling Circles
-Endurance
-Ethics
-Forms
-Glamour Phemes
-Incantation Methods
-Materials Knowledge
-Revision Methods (×15)
-Revision Phemes (×16)
-Revision Spells (×16)
-The History of Magic
-Theory of Negation
-Theory of Revision (×14)
-Wit

01. Amada Kiffer
Ana Flavia Bessa
Antonio de Reyez e Irizarry-Vargas
Basia Rydz
05. Beatrix von Wetgen
Cante Caviti
Durand de Thiomines
Eliana Carosi
Girars de Periarde
10. Gwendy Zuyder
Herbert Downes
Irene Oxina
Isabeau Glorieux
Iustus Venture
15. Joana Lio y Rossollo
Kurt Henning
Leopold Rassent
Louise Kandinsky
Luti Jaconelli
20. Mairgrete Strakley
Malthezar Mhadi
Marc Sury
Montague Ruffo
Neta Xemutre
25. Philippe Marchant
Raoul Leconte
Sima Venesico
Tabin Furenzti
Tulia Faspalla
30. Uliva Valaresso
Vettor Conta
Zorzi Galea

Rhetoric - 62
-Acting
-Character (×15)
-Command
-Competition
-Composure
-Confidence (×14)
-Debate (×2)
-Dedication
-Ethics
-Etiquette
-Famous Speeches (×13)
-Flawless Timing
-Innuendo
-Oratory (×2)
-Passion
-Patience (×2)
-Persuasion
-Theatre
-Theology
-Wit

01. Amada Kiffer
Antonio de Reyez e Irizarry-Vargas
Ausdauer Mollers
Aveline Cincebeaux
05. Aymeri Couer
Carmine Sturzo
Caspar Pfeuffer
Catherine Chard
Cinzia Ammacapani
10. Cyrus Dawes
Eduard Solov'ev
Els Rottmundyn
Girars de Periarde
Herbert Downes
15. Honors Plafox
Isabeau Glorieux
Iustus Venture
Jere Niemela
Lambert Cobo
20. Leopold Rassent
Luti Jaconelli
Mairgrete Strakley
Miya Hikari
Neta Xemutre
25. Prudence Cossins
Reitz von Lutersee
Sigalis du Sonmeil
Silke Niederstatter
Sima Venesico
30. Tacito Viadana
Tulia Faspalla
Zoe Melis

Zoology - 58
-Anatomy
-Animal Husbandry
-Biology
-Birds (×15)
-Conceal (×2)
-Dance
-Illustration (×2)
-Insects (×15)
-Library Knowledge (×2)
-Mammals (×15)
-Painting
-Practical Jokes
-Seeds

01. Amada Kiffer
Ana Flavia Bessa
Ausdauer Mollers
Beatrix von Wetgen
05. Cante Caviti
Caspar Pfeuffer
Cirillo Laziosi
Eliana Carosi
Everwine von Zoedorf
10. Girars de Periarde
Hector Per Vittoria
Joana Lio y Rossollo
Katja Quinnecht
Lambert Cobo
15. Llarina de Avuel
Louise Kandinsky
Magalda Quaranta
Magsa Nembo
Mairgrete Strakley
20. Malthezar Mhadi
Montague Ruffo
Noemia Falcon y Paredes
Olivia Solari
Philippe Marchant
25. Piccolet Gleyre
Raoul Leconte
Uliva Valaresso
Vettor Conta
Vrenelle Bonvin
30. Zoe Melis
Zorzi Galea

 

So, if my above formula was correct, with an attribute of 1 you'd need a total of 46 SS to get from SL 0 to SL 10 on a 1.00 TM skill. Attribute at 2 would take 38, 3 brings it down to 31, 4 bring it down to 25, 5 to 20, 6 to 16, 7 to 13, 8 to 11, 9 to 10, and beyond that attributes wouldn't reduce the SS count anymore.

 

I don't think Zoe is the only student who gets her Birds skill from 0 to 10 through Zoology class alone, so...anyone know the exact formula?

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